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We have only one law,
"The royal law of liberty"
And one command,
That we "Love one another".

We follow one path "Peace"
And we have but one goal,
The "Edification of the body of Christ".

We seek only one thing,
"Fellowship in the Spirit"
And all are welcomed,
So lets put aside our carnality
And lets lift up the Lord
And each other in humility
Before God and man.

 (TBC, 13th November 2003)

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Be the Bible

::: vera :::

Beloved Brothers and Sisters in Christ,

God has told me two things lately, which make me rejoyce in Him:

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He explained to me that people are very dependant. We depend on the sun, on food, on love, on all the earthly things... God put us into a world of need! That is what we shall find out... We are in need. We can never make it on our own attempt.

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The Lord told me not to read the Bible, but BE the Bible. Make it your inner system - adopt it as being yourself. Put it into your heart, all the Words of God, and live from there.

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Peace and Love,

::: vera :::

on christnet.christianlife and other newsgroups, May 1st, 2004

In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
The same was in the beginning with God.
All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.
In him was life; and the life was the light of men.
And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not.
Joh 1:1-5 - (KJV)


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God's attitude towards our physical problems

by moshe

In John chapter 9 God healed a blind man so that he could see.

But in II Corinthians 12:7-10 God refused to heal Paul.

Why did God heal one but not the other?

Because whatever happens in each person's life should further God's plan on earth rather than further our own plans on earth.

In John 9:2 Jesus explained why the man was born blind and why God was going to heal the man:

"... that the works of God should be revealed in him"

In other words, his healing would serve as a testimony of God's power and love for us, messages that God wanted to convey to us.

But in II Corinthians 12:9 God explained why he was *not* going to heal Paul:

"My grace is sufficient for you, for my strength is made perfect in weakness"

In other words, Paul's weakness would force him to rely on God's strength every day, forcing Paul to acknowledge his need for God's strength rather than for Paul's own strength every day, a physical weakness forcing Paul to grow spiritually every day.

Everyone who has a physical problem wants to be healed.
I know that I would love to be healed of everything that is physically wrong with me, healed of everything that has left me permanently disabled.
But we are not put here on earth to achieve what *we* want done.

The Lord's prayer says, "*Your* will be done on earth as it is in Heaven"  (Luke 11:2)

So if *God's* plan for you and those around you would be better served by healing you, then God will heal you.

But if *God's* plan for you and those around you would be better served by not healing you, then God will not heal you.

Healing serves God's plan by showing his power and love for us, a testimony to both the person being healed and all those around him who see him become healed.

Illness also serves God's plan by forcing us to rely less on ourselves and rely more on God, producing a spiritual growth in us that is also a testimony to those who see us trusting in God for strength every day.

So if anyone has a physical problem and wants to know whether God wants him healed, he should say to God:

"God, regarding my physical problem and the healing that I desire, I ask that you do whatever would better serve *your* purpose, because may *your* will be done on earth as it is in Heaven.
If I am healed, may you be glorified in my renewed strength.
If I am not healed, may you be glorified in my leaning on you each day."

- moshe 

alt.messianic, April 26th, 2004

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Who is a liar?

An anonymous wise person wrote the following in a newsgroup:

One of the most over worked and misused words on this newsgroup appears to be the word "liar".  It is amazing to me that such a small word, with such a specific definition, is so mistreated by so many.

What is a "liar"?  According to the American Heritage Dictionary, 4th edition, a liar is simply, "One who tells lies".  Webster's Revised Unabridged Dictionary is somewhat more informative in adding, "A person who knowingly utters falsehood", and Worldnet has, "A person who has lied, or lies repeatedly".

Taking all three dictionaries into account here, it seems plain that a liar is anyone who has ever uttered what they knew to be false, or repeatedly or continually does so.  The definition hinges upon knowing a thing is false, yet treating it as though it were true.  It means that for someone to accurately apply the term, that someone must KNOW what is in the mind of another, not simply suspect, or reach a conclusion on a preponderance of evidence beyond a "reasonable doubt", as a jury would at a trial; that is, unless the labeler is willing to absorb the occasional unjust verdict, as also occurs in trial verdicts rendered by human jurors.

Does the Bible agree with this definition?  It seems to me that it does.  It states that all liars will have their destiny fulfilled in the "lake that burns with fire and brimstone, which is the second death" (Rev. 21:8)  If men are to be judged by their lying, can anyone who really knows the love of God believe that lying can be done without a cognizant choice; without consciously (at some point) knowing what is true from what is false, and for personal reasons choosing to speak what is known (by them, NOT the hearer!) to be false?

Obviously, if God is going to condemn men as liars, that condemnation must proceed from a conscious choice on the part of the condemned.  People do not go to hell because they lack knowledge of the truth, but because they have that knowledge (Rom. 1), yet rebel (lie) against it.  The word "liar" then can only be accurately applied (with our limited abilities) to one who knows what they are saying is false AT THE TIME they are saying it.  The application of the label, then, means that the one using it is implicitly assuming a position capable of discerning exactly what is in the mind of the one they are calling "liar".  Is there anything that can be written on a newsgroup by a poster capable of elevating the reader to this position with drop dead certainty?  If there is, I confess that it escapes me at present. I know what God's word has to say on many different subjects, and I know that what God's word says is true.  But I DON'T know that the one who speaks against this truth KNOWS that it is the truth AT THE TIME they are speaking or writing against it.  And I certainly have no way of knowing that the person who misrepresents what I've written understands that that is what
they are doing, even if they persist after I've gone to some pains to correct their misunderstanding.

If we have no definitive, perfectly accurate way to call someone a liar, absent some omniscient discernment of their complete mind, doesn't a person calling another a liar usurp a position held only by the omniscient God in so doing?  Wasn't Satan's sin his attempt to usurp God's position?

If anyone can give me an example of a statement that, by its very expression, NECESSITATES the reader's conclusion that the one asserting it knows it is false at the time it is expressed, yet seriously asserts or implies it is true, I'd really like to see it.  And until that time comes, I accuse ANYONE calling another a liar on this newsgroup of misusing the word...and leave it to God to judge why they do, and what to do about it. And I would warn anyone tempted to label another a liar of the ample biblical examples we have of how God deals with those who, for their own purposes, would usurp His position as God.  It is not a trivial mistake at which God has historically "winked".

God bless

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What we are doing here

ACC, CC, and ACE will be in the past.
this world will be pages in history.
even our marriages will be a memory.
But our relationship
with Christ and with each other in Christ
will never fade away.

The parts of a person's body
do not grow up separately from each other.
They all develop together.
So do the parts of the body of Christ.
We grow up in Christ together.

Our relationships with each other in Christ
as brother to brother,
brother and sister,
sister to sister,
are eternal.

While we see what is happening now
around us here in these newsgroups,
God sees what is happening
and where it is going into
the eternal ages to come.

God is at work here,
working all things
for the good of those who love him
who are called according to his purpose.

These relationships that he is creating here
are deep and strong and abiding in Christ.
When all else has passed away,
both heavens and earth,
we will still be brothers and sisters in Christ together.

by Frank on CC, 8th February, 2004

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Jesus said:  "He that is without sin among you...
...let him first cast a stone at her"  John 8:7

It is my prayer that you will bear with me, as this may be a rather long message for a ng:

John 8:8 And again he stooped down, and wrote on the ground.
John 8:9 And they which heard [it], being convicted by [their own] conscience, went out one by one, beginning at the eldest, [even] unto the last: and Jesus was left alone, and the woman standing in the midst.
John 8:10 When Jesus had lifted up himself, and saw none but the woman, he said unto her, Woman, where are those thine accusers? hath no man condemned thee?
John 8:11 She said, No man, Lord. And Jesus said unto her, Neither do I condemn thee: go, and sin no more.
John 8:34 Jesus answered them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Whosoever committeth sin is the servant of sin.
Rom 3:9 What then? are we better [than they]? No, in no wise: for we have before proved both Jews and Gentiles, that they are all under sin;
Rom 3:10 As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one:
Rom 3:11 There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God.
Rom 3:12 They are all gone out of the way, they are together become unprofitable; there is none that doeth good, no, not one.
(Rom 5:12) Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:
(Rom 5:13) (For until the law sin was in the world: but sin is not imputed when there is no law.
(Rom 5:14) Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over them that had not sinned after the similitude of Adam's transgression, who is the figure of him that was to come.
(Rom 5:15) But not as the offence, so also [is] the free gift. For if through the offence of one many be dead, much more the grace of God, and the gift by grace, [which is] by one man, Jesus Christ, hath abounded unto many.
(Rom 5:16) And not as [it was] by one that sinned, [so is] the gift: for the judgment [was] by one to condemnation, but the free gift [is] of many offences unto justification.
(Rom 5:17) For if by one man's offence death reigned by one; much more they which receive abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness shall reign in life by one, Jesus Christ.)
(Rom 5:18) Therefore as by the offence of one [judgment came] upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one [the free gift came] upon all men unto justification of life.
(Rom 5:19) For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous.
(Rom 5:20) Moreover the law entered, that the offence might abound. But where sin abounded, grace did much more abound:
(Rom 5:21) That as sin hath reigned unto death, even so might grace reign through righteousness unto eternal life by Jesus Christ our Lord.

So often we can see Christians pointing out to the sins of other Christians, and to the sins of none Christians.
Yes! we know God hates sin, and as His Children we also ought to hate sin.

I hope we can be honest now:
How many of us who know and love the Lord, still struggle with sin or sins?
Let me say that I have known the Lord Jesus, as my Saviour for some 42 years, and I still very much struggle with many sins.
I have to be honest because the thing that Jesus came against more than any other sin, was that of hypocrisy.

Are you shocked at yourself when you have sinned?
You pray: 'Father lead us not into temptation, deliver us from evil' and five minutes later you have done something you feel is
almost unforgivable.
You feel you hardly dare wisper the name of Lord Jesus, let alone SHOUT it from the roof tops.

Let me just say here that we may be shocked, but our Heavenly Father is not shocked!
He is not surprised, and dare I say 'He often allows us to slip up for a purpose' I have spoke before about God's perfect will, and God's permitted will.

There are two important needs, we have to learn.
We have to get to know God, and we have to get to know ourselves.

'Peter' thought he knew himself, but the Lord had to show him that he did not know himself.
Peter confesses the Jesus is the Christ. Jesus then tells Peter that he shall have the keys to heaven.

Then Jesus is saying to Peter 'get thee behind me Satan'

Peter says he shall never be offended by Jesus, then we find him denying Him three times.

But Jesus knew Peter, and allowed him to slip, for Peter had to discover much about himself.

Now to try and get back on track:
I believe that for many of us, our problem is that we can become too preoccupied with our sins.
Is this wrong?
Yes, for we are not to fix our eyes on ourselves, but on Christ Jesus.
We are not the light, just as the earth and the moon are not the light.
As the earth and the moon turn towards the light of the sun, so they begin to reflect the sun.

Jesus Christ is the Light, and as we look to Him, we reflect His Light. If we look to ourselves, we only reflect our darkness.

We have to learn that in us (that is in ourselves) there is no good thing.
Only Christ in me!

It is not about our many sins that is the problem. We are the problem. We have a sinful nature through Adam.

It is not our 'sins' that make us sinful, It is our sinful nature that makes us sin. Our sins, are the fruit of what we are (apart from Christ)

If we pluck away at the fruit (our sins) of our sinful nature, it is only for a short season.
For next season it shall come again.
If the tree is bad, then the fruit shall be bad.

Put the tree to death, and you will stop the fruit!!

May the merciful God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, show us and enable us to LIVE BY THE SPIRIT!!


20th November 2003 in ACC

by Victor

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There is only one Light.
That Light is God.

Shadow entered the world with the first sin.
Shadow is a function of the Light, but is not of the Light:
It is the result of it being blocked.
Sin blocks the Light.
The Light is still there and shines just as brightly; but so long as sin is in the way the Light will not shine it's full radiance where sin casts shadow.

The Law came.
Not to overcome the shadow, but to bring awareness of just how much in shadow we all were -- and how incapable we were of escaping it on our own.
The shadow hates the light, and loves to keep us dependent on the Law -- which confirms over and over just how supreme shadow is over the flesh.

Then the Light came, in the flesh.
He shone pure, with no trace of shadow -- for there was no sin in Him to block the Light.
He totally fulfilled the Law and died in our place so that by His Spirit,
the Light might shine through us.
The Light is not ours, but is of His Spirit.
Any sin that persists in us, blocks the Light and casts shadows.

Many are confused when they see those who claim Christ, casting shadows.
Some seek to curse that darkness they see -- rather than simply making sure the light they shine is pure.
They spend their lives hunting and seeking it in others -- while overlooking the large shadows that they themselves cast in the process of trying to "be on guard" for shadow.

And what are we called to do?
To let His Light shine through us.
There is no mention in Scripture of trying to erase the shadow in others.
We simply let His Light shine.
And the more brilliant His light shines, the more evident shadow will be.

The Holy Spirit will do the rest.
Especially in the persistently wicked.
After striving with them in love for a season, let them worship the shadow they are bound to serve.

Psa 18:28  For You light my lamp; The LORD my God illumines my darkness.

Isa 58:8  "Then your light will break out like the dawn, And your recovery will speedily spring forth; And your righteousness will go before you; The glory of the LORD will be your rear guard.
Isa 58:9  "Then you will call, and the LORD will answer; You will cry, and He will say, 'Here I am.'  If you remove the yoke from your midst, The pointing of the finger and speaking wickedness,
Isa 58:10  And if you give yourself to the hungry And satisfy the desire of the afflicted, Then your light will rise in darkness And your gloom will become like midday.

Pro 4:19  The way of the wicked is as darkness: they know not at what they stumble.

Joh 3:19  "This is the judgment, that the Light has come into the world, and men loved the darkness rather than the Light, for their deeds were evil.

1Jo 2:11  But the one who hates his brother is in the darkness and walks in the darkness, and does not know where he is going because the darkness has blinded his eyes.

Let us set aside the shadow -- in our own lives, and also in the
persistently wicked -- and focus on the Light.  For every time we focus on the shadow, we proclaim shadow.

Whereas we are called on to proclaim the Light.

Yours in Christ,


on ACE, 6th February, 2004



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The Sabbath Challenge

And we have that freedom in Christ because man was not created for the Sabbath, but the Sabbath for man.

And those who are so busy trying to condemn others for the day in which they worship, are lacking in any genuine worship of their own -- for their worship is but an act of obedience by which they think they can co-erce God into accepting them and loving them.  And the 'acting of obedience' is what drives them to condemn others as a distraction ploy hoping that none will realize  that they are merely acting obedient in the flesh rather than being obedient in the Spirit.

But they are mis-informed and mis-led.

The day is not what saves us.  Jesus Christ is.  The act of obedience is not what indicates acceptance, but the Spirit of obedience living it us.  And whether we worship on a Saturday or a Sunday or a Monday or a Tuesday - the only things that matter are that we are fully convinced before the Lord of our choice, and that we do it as unto Him.

Not as an act to try to curry favour.  That is not worship but sycophancy - and God detests it.

Yours in Christ,


22nd November, 2003 in ACC


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Deliberately set your mind on God

Rom 7:21-25
21 I find then a law, that evil is present with me, the one who wills to do good. 22 For I delight in the law of God according to the inward man. 23 But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members. 24 O wretched man that I am! Who will deliver me from this body of death? 25 I thank God - through Jesus Christ our Lord! So then, with the mind I myself serve the law of God, but with the flesh the law of sin.

Paul does what he does not want to do.  There is a war between his mind and his members.  Paul wonders who will deliver him from death which reigns in the body. Jesus Christ will has set him free.  With his mind Paul serves God, the flesh serves sin.

Does that mean that Paul deliberately sins?  No. It means that the flesh is corrupt and needs dealing with.  It means that Paul is conscious of a difference between what is spiritual and what is flesh.  There is a difference in the two. One was sinful and is made alive in the Spirit by having faith in Jesus Christ. Once that happens the sinful nature of the dead spirit within us is gone, permanently.  Our spirit is infused with Life from the Holy Spirit of Jesus Christ.  Our spirit is made alive and we are a new creation with nothing more to bind us to sin.  NOTHING MORE.  We are free from sin forever.  Paul knew this.

Does this mean that Christians no longer sin.  Obviously not.  Paul said it himself, there is a war between the mind and the members.  The flesh remains and is corrupt.  Now how can this lead a Christian into being bound to sin?  It can not.  Period.  If you're free from sin the condition is permanent.  You are no longer part of the world, but your home lies in the Kingdom of God for all eternity.  Yes we all have to deal with the flesh and the sinfulness of the flesh, but recall Paul said there is a war between his mind and his members.
There is a WAR between the sinful flesh and the new recreated holy righteous mind/spirit.  That does not imply or suggest that Paul sinned deliberately. Nothing of the sort.  War is a fight and even though we lose ground on occasion, we must remember that the ground we lose belongs to God.  Christian hear this, there is no condemnation for those in Christ.  There is no lost ground for those in Christ.  If your mind is set on Christ and you are a new creation in Him sin has no hold on you.  Paul continues:

Rom 8:1-8
There is therefore now no condemnation to those who are in Christ Jesus, who do not walk according to the flesh, but according to the Spirit. 2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus has made me free from the law of sin and death. 3 For what the law could not do in that it was weak through the flesh, God did by sending His own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, on account of sin: He condemned sin in the flesh, 4 that the righteous requirement of the law might be fulfilled in us who do not walk according to the flesh but according to the Spirit. 5 For those who live according to the flesh set their minds on the things of the flesh, but those who live according to the Spirit, the things of the Spirit. 6 For to be carnally minded is death, but to be spiritually minded is life and peace. 7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God; for it is not subject to the law of God, nor indeed can be. 8 So then, those who are in the flesh cannot please God.

The debt of sin is paid.  Something we could not do.  A second covenant has been established, but by whom.  Do we establish that covenant?  Do we abide by that covenant?  Does the world care about that covenant?  What does that covenant mean concerning sin?

The covenant is established by God, man is not capable of brining anything into the agreement that is of any use to God.  The agreement must be from God, because that is the only way it is even possible.  Christians live by that covenant and nothing can take it from them.  Romans 8:38-39.  The world cares nothing about this agreement and may not even be aware of it's existence. Concerning sin, this covenant sets us free.  The debt was paid for all mankind and nothing remains to be paid.  Past, present, and future debt was paid for.
The gift is one of grace and only needs to be accepted.

Those who live by the flesh die by the flesh.  They sin and don't care or understand what they are doing.  Sin is the nature of the world.  Sin is not the nature of the Christian or the Kingdom of God.  Those in the Spirit walk according to the Spirit.  Those who walk according to the flesh, die.  If your mind is set on Christ you don't want to sin, the nature of your very being is against such.  If you don't understand that, then come to terms with it right now.  It isn't in your nature to sin.  You are a new creation, created in the perfect image of Jesus Christ.  Your flesh remains however and will fight against your new nature.  Recall who Paul serves with his mind.  God, not sin.
Paul calls himself the chief sinner, but God changed him and Paul's writings make up a fair percentage of the New Testament.  God won the war in Paul.  God has won the war within you, if you have faith in Him.  Paul further states:

Rom 8:9-11
9 But you are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God dwells in you. Now if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he is not His. 10 And if Christ is in you, the body is dead because of sin, but the Spirit is life because of righteousness. 11 But if the Spirit of Him who raised Jesus from the dead dwells in you, He who raised Christ from the dead will also give life to your mortal bodies through His Spirit who dwells in you.

The Christian is not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, providing the Spirit of God dwells within you.  The Spirit of God dwells in the heart of everyone who has believed in the Son and repented of their sins.  Evidence of this can be found without much effort in Scripture.  Christ in you causes life by His Spirit.  Christ in you causes righteousness by His Spirit.  Christ in you cause you to live.  The war is fought against the flesh every day, that is why we have the Armor of God mentioned in Eph. 6.  However, we must not forget that the conclusion of this war has already come.  Jesus is Victorious.  Period.

Now if you have difficulty with the words of Paul let me direct your attention to words of Jesus:
John 3:18-21
18 "He who believes in Him is not condemned; but he who does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.  19 And this is the condemnation, that the light has come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil. 20 For everyone practicing evil hates the light and does not come to the light, lest his deeds should be exposed.  21 But he who does the truth comes to the light, that his deeds may be clearly seen, that they have been done in God."

Need I say more?


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you have heard it said...  seriously.

by Pablo


Matthew 5:38 "You have heard that it was said, 'AN EYE FOR AN EYE, AND A TOOTH FOR A TOOTH.'
Matthew 5:39 "But I say to you, do not resist an evil person; but whoever slaps you on your right cheek, turn the other to him also.
Matthew 5:40 "If anyone wants to sue you and take your shirt, let him have your coat also.
Matthew 5:41 "Whoever forces you to go one mile, go with him two.
Matthew 5:42 "Give to him who asks of you, and do not turn away from him who wants to borrow from you.
Matthew 5:
43 "You have heard that it was said, 'YOU SHALL LOVE YOUR NEIGHBOR and hate your enemy.'
Matthew 5:44 "But I say to you, love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you,
Matthew 5:45 so that you may be sons of your Father who is in heaven;



faith and obedience to God sometimes leads us down radical paths. here's a line i found unavoidable on one occaision:

Matthew 5:42 "Give to him who asks of you,"

i was just a young man walking out from cleaning toilets in the church - when a man approached me.  i knew that this man was begging and was visiting the church building (at an odd hour and an odd time of the week) to try and find a handout.

his story was so filled with obvious lies and contradictions as he began to explain his "need" for some cash.  it's something i am well versed in - the politics of the street and the world of the addict and those who will say or do just about anything for money.

but, as he was speaking to me i could hear and literally see the text in my mind:  Matthew 5:42 "Give to him who asks of you."

and although i knew this man was lying and trying to fool me for money - i did what Jesus said. i gave this man my money - and it was no little sum to me - though it was not much in the world of finance.  it was my means for the week.

this man became a regular in my life -- stopping by the easy mark for money quite often.  each time he came i could not keep this scripture from coming to my mind.  so i prayed with him and for him and whatever he asked -- and he asked for rides and many other things over the year or so that i knew him -- those things i gave.

over time he simply quit lying to me and began to pour out his story in bits and pieces.

over time he surrendered to God and got a job and reunited with his wife and family.  i didn't pay for that by the way - nor did i do so much to make any of that happen.  but, i got to see it and i got to be a witness to it.  i got to see how deep our Father will reach to love his lambs. 

the story isn't about me --- or about how i did some big or little thing -- it's about these passages from the lips of Jesus.  they call us to do things which make little sense and offer little comfort for what we might think is important to defend or care about ourselves.  when we obediently step into love and living like Jesus taught us here -- we enter into a depth of our walk with Jesus that will have one result. 
praise and worship and wonder at the love, provision, and power of our living God.

no, you are correct -- it isn't that we wander about seeking to be lied to -- nor do we run about offering our faces for people to slap.  but, sadly, in this life people will slap our faces, loved ones will let us down, friends will fail us, and trusted ones will desert us at the most horrid of times.  but there is a friend who sticks closer than a brother. 
there is one who will defend us.  there is one who did not only speak these words -- but he lived them out.  his name is Jesus.
if we are honest and read these words from Christ -- we not only see some call to christian living -- we see more than the basis of a christian ethic - we see the ministy of Christ - and if you look you will notice that these steps he outlines above are the steps of the cross -- and the purchase path he paid for us our freedom. no, more than that - the heart of love - the heart of God - that is what we see.

vera of anyone posting online i know what has happened over the past and what happens even to this day.  but, sister - in Christ there's steps for our feet which will serve us and others much better stead in this walk of life.

i cannot control what another does or even what they think - sometimes i cannot even control myself too well - but the fruit of the Spirit working in our lives fashions and fills us up with the stuff to meet the day - be it welcoming us and singing our song -- or burning us in effigy.

in whatever this day brings -- hands with flowers and arms with hugs -- or hands with torches and arms with guns - there is a God event in each moment.  it's there to be found by those who enter into it.


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Christ And No Where Else


The gospel of grace is often presented
as trust in Christ alone,
but at the same time
people are told that they need to be committed,
or surrender, or change their lives,
or publicly confess, or be baptized.
Yes, God does want repentance;
he wants every effort to be holy;
he wants commitment and surrender
and changed lives, and public confession,
and baptism, and service, and giving, and church.
But God wants our trust for salvation
to be in Christ and no where else at all.
Our salvation was accomplished by Christ
on the cross;
it was not done by us.
And people need to be told clearly and plainly
that they are not to trust in their baptism,
or their repentance, or their surrender,
or their commitment, or their anything,
but rather in Christ.
God loves people,
and he wants us to make sure
that people receive the Lord Jesus Christ
by placing their faith on Christ for their entire salvation.

by Frank on CC, 24th April, 2004



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comparing Mosaic rules to New Covenant rules

by moshe

Here is a starting comparison of Mosaic Laws and New Covenant Laws.

Many other comparisons could be added to the list.


"You shall not make for yourself any carved image...
you shall not bow down to them or serve them..."
- Exodus 20:4-5

"do not keep company with ... an idolater"
- I Corinthians 5:11

"idolaters... shall have their part in the lake which burns with fire and brimstone, which is the second death."
- Revelation 21:8


You shall not commit murder."
- Exodus 20:13

"murderers... shall have their part in the lake which burns with fire and brimstone, which is the second death."
- Revelation 21:8

--------sexual immorality-----------------

"You shall not commit adultery."
- Exodus 20:14

"If a male lies with a male... they shall surely be put to death"
- Leviticus 20:13

"Flee sexual immorality"
- I Corinthians 6:18

"sexually immoral... shall have their part in the lake which burns with fire and brimstone, which is the second death."
- Revelation 21:8


"You shall not steal."
- Exodus 20:15

"Let him who stole steal no longer"
- Ephesians 4:28


"You shall not commit false witness against your neighbor."
- Exodus 20:16

"liars... shall have their part in the lake which burns with fire and brimstone, which is the second death."
- Revelation 21:8


"You shall not covet...
anything that is your neighbor's."
- Exodus 20:17

"do not keep company with ... covetous"
- I Corinthians 5:11


"Remember the Sabbath, to keep it holy"
- Exodus 20:8

"One person esteems one day above another;
another esteems every day alike.
Let each be fully convinced in his own mind.
He who observes the day, observes it to the Lord;
and he who does not observe the day, to the Lord he does not observe it."
- Romans 14:5-6


by moshe

May 9th, 2004 in alt.messianic



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What And How

Much of the world knows what it needs to do,
but it does not know how to do it.

What:  Be saved.
How:  Trust Jesus Christ to save you.
(not church, not baptism, not you, but Him)

What:  Live the Christian life.
How:  Trust Jesus Christ to live His life in you.

What:  Endure to the end.
How:  Keep trusting Jesus Christ.

Frank in CC, 22nd March, 2004


Christians Are Those Who Have Christ

Christians are those who have Christ; he lives inside us.
We received Christ the moment we took
our trust for salvation off of all the other things
that the world trusts in to save itself,
and rather put that trust on Christ to be our entire salvation.

Frank in CC, 18th March, 2004


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Are you a Christian? Back to the roots...

Are you a Christian? Back to the roots...

Christians are people who are connected with God and other Christians by a bond of God's Holy Spirit.

They live in peace with God, because they have accepted his Grace he poured on them by sending his Son to die for all who want to reconcile with God.

In Jesus, who was born by a virgin, God himself came down to earth to live and die as a human. He was crucified and thus paid for all our sins, and all who refer to this are saved for eternal life with God.


That is what I thought before, too. But then God revealed me his truth in the Bible, and he spoke to me directly, he touched me with his love. This was so impressive that I decided to give my life to him. I want to be changed until I am the way he is.

God is still a living God. He is still doing wonders, he is still comforting us when we are down, he is the healer in this world of condemnation, and he loves us all.

Christians are not necessarily good. They know they have to become
better. Some people may think to be Christians just because they call themselves Christians, or because they are a member at a church.
But there is more to it. The Bible can reveal it to you, if you read carefully, if you read it with an open heart for God to fill you with his Word. Or God may touch you by other people, during a sermon, for example.

In the beginning there was the Word, and this is God Himself, coming down again when speaking to you through the Bible or other Christians.

Do you want to live with God?

Look for him. Wait for him. Allow wonders to happen in His name. Pray. Talk with Him - He is waiting for that. Give yourself a chance to eternal life in God's Holy Presence. That is called Heaven.

God is Love.

The Bible is His Holy Word, a love letter to all those who want to read it...

Come into God's presence...

by ::: vera :::


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Love Perseveres

God in his great love for us
gave his Only Son Jesus Christ
to take our place on the cross.

How very sad that many people
have not done such a simple thing
as trust Christ for their salvation
so that they might be reconciled to God.

Jesus Christ is love,
and he always perseveres.

Because there was no other way
for us to be saved,
he went to the cross for us.

On the cross,
Jesus took away
the condemnation of the law
that stood against us.

He has drawn us from many nations
to trust him instead of ourselves
for our salvation.

When the darkness tried
to use the law of Moses
to take trust off Christ,
Christ told the Gentiles
not to enter that law.

When the darkness tried
to use church and ritual
to keep trust off Christ,
he brought his people
out of the universal church.

In our day,
the darkness is trying
to keep trust off Christ
by convincing people
that faith in Christ alone
does not really mean that.

But the truth is,
faith in Christ alone
does mean faith in Christ alone;
not church, not baptism,
not efforts, not giving,
but Christ.


by Frank

May 30th, 2004


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